The Creative Myth
The Creative Myth
Spontaneity and Creativity - Should You Just Wing It?
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In this episode of the Creative Myth, we dive into the pervasive idea that creativity is some sort of spontaneous bolt from the blue. Something that just happens to some people. We discuss how this actually plays out in our lives as creatives and talk about ways we can hack our lives to be more open to the mythical eureka moment.
Hello beautiful people and welcome to the creative myth, the podcast that attempts to inspire the uninspired by unfolding breaking down and distilling that wonderful force of nature and or nurture known as creativity. Our goal to bust the myth that creativity is the birthright of the few. In each bi weekly episode, we find a new and engaging self confessed creative and strike up a dialogue. Otherwise surgenor and I sit down and discuss a topic that has something to do with creativity, and how it relates to our roles as artists, nomads and parents, we track down some of the most amazing creatives out there and find out just what creativity means to them what they do to encourage it in their lives, and how you might channel it into your passions. But who is we we are searching to sing and Benjamin lane wife and husband, Indian Kiwi adventure photographers, international travellers and curious minds, you might know us as nomadic lovers of adventure tented photography, and if not, you can follow our adventures on Instagram at Turner photography, and on a web page, Turner photography.com. Of course, don't forget to check out the creative myth on Instagram as well. So let's get started.
Sirjana Singh:You need a haircut? And how am I going to do that? I don't know. That's what I'm saying. We need photos. Well, there's this like five here. Places. Have you tried any of them?
Unknown:Yeah, there was the last time I got to here I was in Leamington. Right. I could just raise out of here and see if that RecyclerView nothing is backed. Nothing is open yet either. Probably it's what eight in the morning.
Sirjana Singh:Yeah, so you have to edit this. How long will it take you to edit this episode on along? Just Dunker, um, if I do, Leave it, leave it in it too many times gets really hard to listen to No, leave it in it. We don't have time this time. Okay, let's do it. Alright, what are we talking about?
Unknown:Well, today we're talking about spontaneity and creativity or its relationship to creativity.
Sirjana Singh:Well, we're talking about this because we promised last time after talking about routine and creativity, the importance of planning your time, I guess, we were going to talk about what spontaneity looks like, right? We have so much to cover because you and I kept talking about it over the last week. And we kept going in circles. Well, it seems like there's a lot to dig into. It's like, Well, how
Unknown:do we talk about this? It's just like, Oh, yeah, okay, so you come up with an idea and you you follow it. But one of the things that I kind of came across is that this is something that most creatives have people who are objectively creative. But it's a really hard thing to teach.
Sirjana Singh:I think, like,
Unknown:looking out for what is spontan? Like a spontaneous idea, essentially, I think that's kind of a hard thing to,
Sirjana Singh:but if we thought it would be spontaneous, you know, well, they Yeah, exactly. It's just what do you do? Yeah, so it is just the way of living life because when I think of a creative person, the image of someone living spontaneously comes up, doesn't it for you, when you think about like, mentally imagine in
Unknown:a person, like I want to say most like impulsively, almost really, do you think like, like someone who's look at Andy Warhol,
Ben Lane:like his stuff, I'm
Unknown:sure was very thought out. But his the myth behind them is that he was an impulsive drug taking, like, this crazy superstar artist, right? Like, I would think that he was what I would call impulsive. I doubt he was, but
Sirjana Singh:I'm not going to talk more on that. Because this is an interesting point, I need to figure out the difference between know the difference between what is impulsivity and what is spontaneous. impulsivity,
Unknown:I would say is more reckless. It's like, when when I think of somebody who's impulsive, it leads to generally more reckless, less thought out things, right. Whereas spontaneity is maybe you could have a spontaneous, impulsive moment, you know, oh, I
Sirjana Singh:have to. It just feels like, we need to dig into this and figure out what's the difference because right now, the words are being used very interchangeably. I know that there is more negative connotation when it comes to being impulsive than being spontaneous. But anyways, I was just saying that when I think of a creative person, the image of someone living spontaneously comes up, you know, they, they see a flower they go and smell it. They don't have to think about what the next step is. It's just like rolls of the way they live life and someone who's you know, courageous and wise enough to be able to hear their ideas clearly, without being influenced by society and act on them without interruption.
Unknown:So but is that the myth in itself? No, I'm just saying looking at a, again, objectively creative person.
Sirjana Singh:That's what I'm saying. That's the image that comes in my head. But in the business of daily life, you know, the daily grind. The quiet reflection required to be that person or even to aspire to be that person is lost. This is where planning our days comes in. Because the time for being spontaneous, the time to just let our mind wander, the time to do things without having results tied to it can sometimes only come when we plan for it.
Unknown:Yeah. Well, that's kind of what we touched on last time is not that. I mean, planning is important. That spontaneousness that comes along with planning. But how do you mean it comes along with?
Sirjana Singh:No, I mean, that the time that we need to practice who we are, and living spontaneously, and being able to hear our thoughts and our intuitions, we need that time that practice time, and in our daily life, that time is hard to come by. So we need to plan those pockets of time. You know, how we used to have Fridays as the days where we would not come up with any serious ideas? Yeah. You know, that those days where like, sometimes let's get drunk, have cocktails and come up like ball with each other with ideas like, what about this? What about that? And no idea was stupid idea. It was just like, let's just think about anything that comes to your mind. We had to plan that. Otherwise, we would have no time.
Unknown:Yeah, that, you know, that's cool. Yeah, cuz I was just thinking, we should take a step back and think about what it is to live spontaneously. Like the way you put it. I think living spontaneously is really about learning to open your mind to what, like a lot of people would not see, essentially,
Sirjana Singh:yeah, and I think that we can't see it. Because our world is full of so many distractions and shiny objects. I mean, I sometimes look at these reels, this Instagram reels of people, you know, meditating and living in this beautiful place where rain is falling outside, and they're sitting with a cup of coffee, and you can see the steam from the coffee cup. And it feels like oh, yeah, see if I had that time. If I had that piece. If I had that tranquillity, I'll be able to be in touch with myself. Yeah. And then the next rule starts and you're like, oh, like, okay, boiling boiling.
Unknown:point here is that they've made the time to have that peace and tranquillity. Yeah. But in that moment, are they looking out for a spontaneous idea. So this is this goes back to what I was thinking is, I think it's a hard thing to teach. It comes with practice. But within yourself, it's like trying to teach somebody to love you coming up with this idea that like that you can be creative spontaneously, it's, you can put people in the right place in the right condition. So you can take someone to like a speed dating event, but if the match is there, they may not even recognise it, you know,
Sirjana Singh:it is said that things like perfectionism, they are the pitfall of being huge on planning, right? We easily get scared of failing when we are planners,
Unknown:you're talking about your plan too much. So you Yeah, so paralysis by analysis.
Sirjana Singh:Exactly. So we easily get scared of failing because we have planned everything. And you know, we wanted, we know what the outcome needs to be. Yeah, we become mundane, we become rigid in our way of doing things, which is opposite of creative way of living. We don't get to come face to face with new way of doing things. These are all pitfalls of routine and planning. Right? Yeah. So that, in itself says that if we were to live spontaneously, if we were to live without routines, new ideas, new things will spontaneously come to us. It feels like when you hear this, that perfectionism, you have to be worried were very off, where you're wary of I still don't have my W's and B's right, I'm feeling the fear of failure that you have to be wary of. Yes. Letting that rigidity set in is another thing you have to be aware of. So when you live spontaneously, there are not a lot of things that you have to worry about. You just have to be in the moment, I understand that you're saying that being in the moment is a hard thing to do. And I think that comes from you being add, is that right?
Unknown:I mean, it is definitely that definitely helps keep my mind ticking from one bit to the next. Yeah. But if you're talking about living spontaneously, as a way of being, I think is very few people who really have achieved that. Right. Like, I think what we were what I would advocate for is finding a line down the middle, right? Like if you were to be truly spontaneous, you would probably burn out quite fast. Well, I have to answer I mean, within society, not as an artist,
Sirjana Singh:right. Okay. So I have two answers. You first said that it would be there very few people who have achieved that and I think You're saying that because if somebody was living by a routine, it is easy to see it. There are tick boxes you can take, and you can see that that person has achieved it. Whereas a person who is living spontaneously, there is no way you can measure their spontan living spontaneously. Yeah. So that's probably why
Unknown:I'm trying to think of some examples of people that might do this sort of thing. And the first thing that comes to mind is like rock stars, you know, have old, but then they have a manager. So they can be as spontaneous as they want. Think of the Red Hot Chilli Peppers, super spontaneous, creative efforts, but the manager chorales them sticks them in a house together and gives them a whole bunch of things to bash on.
Sirjana Singh:Barb's and I, I haven't read anything autobiographies or know much about it. I would wager that probably all the brilliant ideas came when they were in a moment rather than planning for it. And then the manager helps them sell that idea.
Unknown:I don't know, I think Yeah. And now we are just a young objection. But I'm thinking once you involve, like the likes of drugs and and addictions, you know, you definitely need a manager. But this is where I'm saying spontaneity can lead down some really interesting, I think we have robots within Yeah, society,
Sirjana Singh:what we are doing right now it feels like that I have an image in my mind of living spontaneously, you have an image in your mind. clarify that. And we are I don't think we're meeting in the middle.
Unknown:I almost feel like it's impossible to live spontaneously.
Sirjana Singh:Well, when I think about living spontaneously, I'm thinking about your grandmother. I'm thinking about norlin. Every time we went to see her, it felt like ideas just were springing from her to you.
Unknown:Yeah, like a well of so Okay, so this is something that I want to look at because, okay, so let's take this, take this back, this put a pig on what it is exactly. I think what we're talking about is living creatively as a creative person as an artist is something because if she was truly living spontaneously, you know, she might not have dinner one night might forget to take her insulin, you know, whatever. It is spontaneous. She's in that moment, but I think I'm I'm trying to argue effect that we don't really need to consider here because we're talking about creative myths and not actually like the myth of the spontaneous human being.
Sirjana Singh:You've lost me. I'm just talking about creative I really creatives living spontaneous. That was your grandmother? Yeah, I don't know. So no, okay. So you said that we were around her felt like there was as well of like, things that came. Because when I talked about her paintings and talked about her work, those ideas were not thought out, like she didn't think to become someone she was in the act of being that person. That's true.
Unknown:So that's what I'm talking about when we saw that documentary on air recently, where she was talking about how she she loved the river, and she would be painting the river. Yeah. And then one day, she scratched the river onto these boards and let them dry. And they got all this like, cool, like fungal patents growing on. Yeah. And from there, she started painting that which created this whole nother level of like, what the river was.
Sirjana Singh:But the idea with the gods, that was not something that she thought, Hmm, I need to do something else. Now. The idea was just there, and she acted on it. And it wouldn't I necessarily would have come by, if she was
Unknown:if she had an idea where she had to
Sirjana Singh:know if she was sitting in the river or create the river. No, no, no, if she was just sitting there on a nine to five, like, I'm gonna do this, and I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do this. If she was doing that, that idea probably wouldn't have come. The fact that she experimented with a lot of things and let her mind wander, just picked up things when she felt like picking them up and left them with cheap felt like leaving them. That's what I mean. So I think
Unknown:yeah, that is quite important for creative gratis point of view. One of the things that we need to sort of think about here, and what I'm sure our audience would be interested in is how do we make that work? When you have a deadline, and you have, say, a brief that somebody else has given you? It's pretty hard to follow your creative, no, as it happens if you have something that's really pushing you towards.
Sirjana Singh:Absolutely. So like we said, coming back, taking a step back to answer this question, perfectionism, fear of failing, becoming rigid in our way of doing things, which is the opposite way of creative way of living. These are all the pitfalls of planning. But nothing in this world should be viewed as just this or that. There's a synchronicity in how things come together and serve a better purpose. That is where my earlier point of you can live spontaneously. But in today's world, where there are so many distractions, and in our daily grind, it is important that we take time out to be And practice, but those
Unknown:spontaneously those distractions away. So, in a sense that's you have to recognise the distractions first before you can,
Sirjana Singh:you have recognised it we are living in the age of distraction recognise, there is no other time needed to put into it to see like what are the distractions don't have everywhere. There is nothing that is not distracting. Everything is because the thing is the way we consume these days, everything is as a very distract, distractible way of consuming. Nothing is a long format. Yeah, nothing is a long format. Everything is 15 second 32nd thing. So when we stop consuming from our phones, and our tablets and all of that, and we step into the life that we see, without a screen, I think we can zoom that life. Also, just as we consume our reels and stories and stuff, we move on from one thing to the other very quickly. And there is this whole idea of feeling happy about doing things. And if you don't feel happy, then probably you need to change what you're doing. You know, everything everything that is taught to us is about moving on. Yeah, I think that's the and there is nothing wrong about it. This it's not a bad advice. It's just too much of anything can become bad.
Unknown:I would say being a creative, so entirely about embracing the Moving on, it's about embracing your latest situation. No,
Sirjana Singh:I don't think so I think being a creative is just being in that moment and letting things actually a wash you.
Unknown:So what a terrifying being somebody in the creative industry, because I feel like the creative industry moves very fast be at graphic design or photography or you know, music, whatever it is, then
Sirjana Singh:again, that is the way we are living these days. It's not per se the requirement of that industry, it's the requirement of our times. So imagine if you were in the creative industry, we are as photographers, and or as a graphic designer, or, you know, painter illustrator, you are in this in the time of this age of distractibility basically, and you somehow master the art of just being in the moment, and letting yourself just explore an idea, even when it becomes uncomfortable. You know, even even it becomes too much overbearing, you just sit with it, and let it flower within you and then see where it takes you. If you were to do that, I think you will shine as a beacon of light to
Unknown:let go of the end goal. Yes, to see where it's going by itself
Sirjana Singh:fit. That's it. I think that's what being too much of a planner does. Because you always have an end goal because you need to have an end goal to have a plan. Yeah,
Unknown:part of your plan, you might you stumble on something really cool. But you can't follow up down that rabbit hole because you've got the same goal that you have already perceived.
Sirjana Singh:But like we said, we went in circles the entire week. And I think we're still doing that as we're recording. But because when we are constantly living in a routine new ideas can be hard to ignite hard work can only take you so far. Keats was one of my favourite points emphasises the importance of living in uncertainty, being okay with ambiguity. I think in other words, what he wants to say is that living without routine could be akin to living in the realm of questions, rather than in the realm of answers. And we know that being a creative person, we thrive in the realm of questions. Yeah, because one question leads to another question, which leads to another question. And in between, you have so many answers floating by and then suddenly you hit on gold and strikes. And that's what Keith says so
Unknown:so it's about finding that balance as a creative professional. Between Yes, you got to know when to take that 90 degree turn down a new ng new alleyway.
Sirjana Singh:It's funny that when we did the last episode, we were so certain team is good team is good, it's good. And I think again, it's a sign of our times that we are living in a time where it is a no brainer, that in the age of distractibility routine is good, you need that.
Unknown:So looking at this age of distractibility though, could you not argue that ingesting so much media could potentially help you come up with new ideas? No, he's spontaneous?
Sirjana Singh:No, because there's no time to create that, that again, that balance has to be struck between consuming and creating, yeah, too much consumption can lead to lethargy can lead to, at best, but it can also lead to complete like paralysis because you see so much and it feels like you're so little well, even as the face of it
Unknown:becomes like a mountain. I'm thinking specifically in the case of like a small business like us where we look at other social media channels that are similar to ours. And you see, you're somebody who's done this. And that's amazing. And oh man,
Ben Lane:how did they think of that?
Unknown:Yeah. And you do, you're right. Like, it's not like going and watching TV where it's something that's unrelated to what you're doing. Now, a lot of the time, you're watching this stuff. And you think, Wow, man, these guys have got it made. These guys are awesome. Yeah. But then you get the same, like, comments on under our stuff. You know, like,
Ben Lane:how did you guys think of that? What are you doing? This is so
Unknown:cool. And I don't know about you. But personally, sometimes I don't believe it, right? Because I'm like, how can we be that person? And we're always trying to like, push to be better.
Sirjana Singh:Yeah. So again, there's such clear answers for why routines are good. And I think it is just as clear that yes, routines are good, we really need them. To focus ourselves on the task at hand,
Unknown:it means you're going to finish a project for a client,
Sirjana Singh:not just that routine would mean that you sitting down every day, to write the ideas in your book,
Unknown:and it gives you time in the day to keep your brain healthy, keep your body healthy. Yes,
Sirjana Singh:for my art projects. A routine makes my art after a month, 1000 times better than the art, or the art I have created in a month when I've painted once. Yeah, so it's not just finishing it for a client, even for yourself, like putting yourself exerting effort and putting yourself pen to paper, or doing the task routinely can really improve your art. I heard about this person called Leonard Bernstein. And he's this music genius. He's an American composer, pianist, also a music educator. So he says, to achieve great things, two things are needed. Right? One, a plan, and not quite enough time.
Unknown:That's true, I wouldn't get a lot done. If it wasn't for the last minute.
Sirjana Singh:I read this, like four or five times. And every time it felt like a bell was ringing inside me. I was like, This is so good. And then I would reread it again. And it would mean something else to me.
Unknown:So two things you need. And not quite enough time.
Sirjana Singh:Yeah. So when we have a deadline, like we have for this podcast, after the craziest, most sleepless 21 days, in our personal history, right, we're late again. And we helped, it helped us work creatively on a creative task, you know, colour outside the lines, so to speak. To get things done, we had to find answers to this podcast in wild places, self imposed deadlines that give us not enough time, and therefore crucial. And they can lead to us doing things spontaneously. Yeah, because our plan won't be able to fit on this stupid deadline,
Unknown:making me rethink the whole it's hard to teach. Because if you know that,
Sirjana Singh:I knew this was coming to it. I was like, I'm gonna answer
Unknown:yourself to learn. But it is again, it's a personal journey.
Sirjana Singh:But the thing is, any any, any skill that you had to learn, like, even with photography, or being a painter, when you were teaching me photography, you could only tell me about ISO focal length, what, you know, shutter speed, all of that, you could just tell Teach me that? Yeah, you couldn't teach me how to look through the viewfinder. You could teach me rule of thirds. But there are 1001 times you break rule of thirds, and the follow is amazing. So you can teach me that? It's
Unknown:also I mean, when you look through the viewfinder, you're not not looking at what's in the frame as much as you're looking at what your settings are doing.
Sirjana Singh:Yes. But see, this is what I'm trying to tell you that when you were teaching me You can only teach me technical skills. So we can only teach or learn planning, we can only do that much of the technical skill of spontaneity in today's age, is to have an create pockets of time in your pan to be spontaneous. How you be that then, is up to you. That's like looking through the viewfinder. And that will come with practice. I remember we would do these experiments together and you would take me out and we would photograph a puddle of water. Yeah. And you and I would stand at the same place. And you would take a photo of this paddle because I started saying anybody can take because I got so mad at you for taking such amazing photos. I was like anybody can take good photos of a mountain. Take a photo of this puddle and you would take four of the spiral and look amazing. I would like to print it and it's standing at the same place. My puddle looked like a puddle. But with practice now I beat you.
Unknown:Sorry. Yes, you're pretty dang talented photographer. But this this comes back to what I was talking about is you could teach that. Like you said, you can teach the technical side of this by Once you've got that technical side, it gives you that opportunity to, to figure it out for yourself.
Sirjana Singh:Because nothing subjective can be taught. It's not an object of art. And the other reason it can be taught, because for you as a teacher, you don't have a syllabus, you won't even know how to mark the other person on the spontaneity writing. It's so different for everyone. But what I saw is required. Yeah, that is one right answer.
Unknown:Yeah, when I was in university, my last year of uni, I was tutoring the first years in the in the photography class, there's 100 students. And that level, you could see with our app, we they were all learning the technical side of it at the same time. Yeah, but some of them were sparking up on that creative side of it quicker than others. And you could see it when they'd come back in from that, or walk around the campus and find roughly the same things that take photos of like, we're looking for lines and geometric shapes, and you know, things that like, I don't know, just interesting little thing, little projects that they had to pick out. And you'd see some people come back with like a full on eureka moment, you know, they'd be very happy with like, Oh, look, I totally discovered that if we do this, this and this, then all lines up and equals this. And it was really neat to see maybe five people out of 100 clicked into it in the first semester, right? Like, it's not a high strike rate. No, you know, a lot of them were like our photography, I'm not getting it, I just want to do graphic design, you know, they'd already hit that strike rate in graphic design, right, they'd had that spark in them. And they had sort of figured out how to find that spontaneous creative moment when they're designing, but they hadn't done it with photography, because this was just tacked on to their design degree. And it was something that I guess they weren't leaning into. What I'm coming around to is that it's doable with basically any discipline, yeah, it's about having that that knowledge within you that you should be looking for these moments, being finding, aware of the
Sirjana Singh:fact that you should be doing that, I mean, on photoshoots, we do that, right. And there are times when you go off, and I'm with a couple, and taking a moment taking a breather, and thinking about how, what else can happen here. The way you do it is that you don't think about it at all, you just take a breather, you sit down and you start enjoying the scenery. I sometimes try to force an idea out. And we have different ways of doing it. But are we is to take a step away from what we are doing. Even when we are on a shoot and just be ourselves. I will go sometimes sing a song or do something else. And you will just sit down and look at the mountains in wherever what have you. It's the awareness that's important. Also, I think that we have all heard the saying that good work will find its way that hard work never goes to waste, that all we need to do is to put our head down and work and answers will find their way. You know, I truly believe that, like I truly believe that that if everything else fails, at least you have your hard work.
Unknown:Well, that was something we were discussing briefly last night was that, you know, as an entrepreneur, if you've ostensibly wasted time on something, you haven't really wasted their time at all. No, because you were doing something that was it was a learning curve.
Sirjana Singh:Yeah. So it may seem like there is no plan sometimes except to do just, you know, what we can do to not plan a method of being that will click or work for you to become super creative, but to just let things happen around you as you work hard and keep on keeping on. So in that sense, it feels like it's not planning but true grit. That is the requirement for being creative. You know, things keep failing, keep getting knocked down, or sometimes you just come up with zero answers or zero amazing idea. And some people just give up and other people like No, I'm just gonna get wake up next morning, and sit and watch this empty piece of paper.
Unknown:Yeah, we've probably all seen some famous artists sketchbook at some point or another in a documentary or whatever, and you look at it and go, well, whoa. But like it's so full. But that's exactly what they've been doing. They've been chasing down leads that haven't led them anywhere. And others really have you know,
Sirjana Singh:and I also think that there there's this idea of in entrepreneurialship, as well that a lot of businesses fail in the first I know two or three years. I say a five, five is like yeah, the max, but a lot of it when I'm mentoring other creatives. I feel like a lot of it is not having that grit not coming back to the arena and battling it out.
Unknown:When you when you discover that the person down the road is doing very similar work to you. Yeah. What do you do about it?
Sirjana Singh:You know, I think that is the plan you can have. So with you and I there was never, ever a question of Tintin ever failing. No. It was never a thing. We were like, well, if it doesn't become full time, so be it. We're doing it every day. It doesn't matter. Like it was never a question like it really amazes me. Sometimes these days when I think about that and our entrepreneurial journey that we never had a cap on. They're like, we'll just try it for three years. If it doesn't work, we'll do this. Now. It was like, we're going to do this for like,
Unknown:exactly the same thing we're coming through at the tail end of this pandemic. And it's been tough.
Sirjana Singh:Well, let's hope it's the tail end.
Unknown:Yeah. Well, it has been tougher and pivoting. But yeah, it
Sirjana Singh:was never been a question like this is
Unknown:going to, we're not going to do anything else. This is what we do.
Sirjana Singh:So in that case, our plan or not a plan before is that we will be here. So it was true grit that kept us going on. So anyways, I think we keep going in circles to understand which is greater having a routine that you adhere to, or keeping your head down as you keep on carrying on or winging it. I believe that planning a time to wing it, and keeping on at whatever art we are interested in through tough times when the inspiration dries up. And when ideas feels scarce, is how we create for creativity to bubble up spontaneously.
Unknown:Cool. So we can plan for spontaneity.
Sirjana Singh:I think that's the best
Unknown:time in the day, put it aside doesn't matter what what timeline you're working to, you've got a deadline coming up. Still take that time because it might drastically change your outcome.
Sirjana Singh:And in that time that you have for spontaneous spontaneity, spontaneity, it's possible then nothing comes up. It is even more possible that you feel frustrated. I mean, staring at blankness, blank paper, empty mind any anything like this is very frustrating, right? It really like screeches on your soul sometimes,
Unknown:especially when you remember these sketchbooks you've seen before.
Sirjana Singh:Yes, but just remember, you've just spent an amazing time at a university, which is free of cost, you know, by by creating that pocket of time,
Unknown:you're not talking about an actual universe.
Sirjana Singh:Personally, your own little classes that you are giving yourself, you are the tutor and you're the student that you have created that plan of this is the pocket of my time where I don't care, I'm just going to be and then and hurrying to it and doing it over and over and over again, without thinking about what answers are required. We have some birds on top of our studio. I don't know if you guys can hear it, but it's just like something has happened. It's mine a bird party going on. So do you have anything? any last comments? wubba lubba dub dub? Oh, okay. Well, I don't know about other times in our times, the time to let go and embrace uncertainty also requires planning. That's my last words are much deeper than mine. I love you. Love you too. Okay. Alrighty. So we'll see you guys next time. Yes. Because we've just got a message saying a little ma he moves up and he wants us through.
Ben Lane:Okay. And oh, and this is the end of season one.
Sirjana Singh:Yes.
Ben Lane:This is the last one in a run for I think we're taking a month off.
Sirjana Singh:Yes, we are taking a month off. We are really taking a month off from you meeting with speaking with you guys. But actually, in this month, we are reaching out to many creatives and to get them on our podcasts. If you have a request for a creative. Let us know DMS on our Instagram the creative meant, let us know and we will reach out to them and let them know that people want to hear them. We are also producing a lot of other episodes for this podcast. So really, it's a break from you guys. So that we can come back even busy. Yeah, we can come back with some amazing content for you guys and amazing talking points with you. So yeah, you sued
Ben Lane:So there you have it, peeps. Thanks so much for tuning in. We hope you learn heaps of new stuff and junk today. You could probably tell but we loved our chat with Shani and click right away so no doubt she and her husband will be back in a future episode to help us further understand the creative drive. If you enjoyed today's episode, or indeed any other episodes of the creative myth, please rate this podcast and leave a review on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts you would absolutely make our day and help other like minded individuals to find the creative myths so we can forge a kick ass creative community if you all also if you know someone who you would love to hear interviewed about their creative process, send us a DM on our creative myth Instagram page and we'll reach out to them for you. Plus, make sure you like and subscribe to be notified when Episode 10 goes live. When Episode 10 goes live. Plus, make sure you like and subscribe so you can be notified when the next episode Episode 10 goes live. Till then you know the drill stay read. Stay tuned and be creative